Rise: Hope and Healing Podcast

Rise is a podcast for anyone navigating the devastating impact of sexual betrayal. Season one, hosted by Dr. Kevin Skinner, Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, Certified Sex Addiction Therapist, and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist, alongside MaryAnn Michaelis, Licensed Clinical Social Worker and Certified Sex Addiction Therapist and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist, brings together over 50 years of combined professional and personal experience to offer hope, direction, and healing.

Season two, hosted by MaryAnn Michaelis features weekly conversations with leading betrayal trauma experts exploring personal and clinical experience and observations, tools and resources for stabilizing, then thriving in post traumatic betrayal growth.  

Each episode blends research, clinical expertise, and real-life experience to address the most pressing questions betrayed partners face: Am I going to be okay? Why does my mind keep racing? Can I ever trust again? How do I make sense of the shattering that just happened?

Listeners will gain:

  • Validation that what they’re experiencing is real and normal.

  • Practical tools like grounding techniques and emotional regulation exercises.

  • Research-backed insights from studies with thousands of betrayed partners.

  • Guidance for couples seeking to rebuild trust and safety after betrayal.

  • Hope-filled stories that remind you healing is possible—one step, one breath at a time.

Whether you’ve just discovered betrayal or are months or years into your healing journey, Rise offers a safe place to learn, reflect, and gather the tools needed to rebuild your life and reclaim your sense of self.

To learn more and access additional resources, visit humanintimacy.com/reclaim.

Episodes

Jun 2, 2026

19 min


From Sifting Sand to Bedrock: Rebuilding a Foundation After Sexual Betrayal with Kris Cristiano, Rise Season 2, Episode 21
For many betrayed partners, life after D-Day can feel futile, like grabbing at sand—confusing, unstable, and overwhelming, with every thought, memory, or trigger adding to the emotionally unmanageable mess. 
In this episode of Rise, Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, is joined by Kris Cristiano, LCSW, CSAT as they explore what it really feels like to rebuild after sexual betrayal—when your internal world no longer feels stable, predictable, or safe.
Together, they unpack what it means to move from emotional instability into grounding, and how to begin rebuilding a foundation that can actually hold weight as they highlight the following topics: 
 
What Happens After Sexual Betrayal (The “Sifting Sand” Experience)
Emotional confusion and hypervigilance after disclosure
Why betrayed partners feel like they are constantly “on alert”
The shift from trust to questioning everything
Why the nervous system begins scanning for danger
The mental overload of outside opinions
Social media, family, friends, and conflicting advice
Why clarity feels impossible in early recovery
The emotional exhaustion of trying to make sense of it all
Why nothing feels stable anymore
The loss of relational safety
The constant search for something solid to hold onto
The “sand vs. rock” internal experience
Grounding After Betrayal: How Stability Begins
Why confusion is a signal, not a failure
Noticing when the system is overloaded
The importance of stepping back from decision-making in confusion
Simple grounding techniques for nervous system regulation
Feet on the ground, posture, breath
Sensory awareness (5-4-3-2-1 technique)
Returning to the present moment through the body
Why the body must heal before clarity returns
Trauma stored in the nervous system
Why thinking alone cannot solve emotional overwhelm
Moving from survival brain to regulated brain
Rebuilding a Foundation That Can Hold Weight
The “emotional backpack” of betrayal trauma
Why life feels suddenly heavier and harder
Energy depletion and trauma load
Why normal functioning becomes exhausting
What is and isn’t in your control
Partner’s recovery vs. your own grounding
Reclaiming internal agency in a chaotic season
Small steps that rebuild stability
Connection with safe people
Connection with body and senses
Connection with meaning and identity
Moving from Sand to Bedrock
Why healing is not linear
Cracks in foundations are part of rebuilding
Progress vs perfection in recovery
Reconnecting with identity after betrayal
“Who am I now?” after relational rupture
Rebuilding self outside of crisis response mode
Finding what helps you “rise”
What restores energy and regulation
Returning to life with support, not pressure
Conclusion
Healing after sexual betrayal is not about rushing clarity—it is about rebuilding stability from the inside out. When everything feels like sand, the goal is not to force answers, but to slowly return to grounding, connection, and safety in your own body and life.Resources
Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale Survey - please consider taking a few minutes to help with our ongoing research. 
Visit Humanintimacy.com for the Rise Companion Course, Courses on Communication, Boundaries and both Individual and Couple Healing. 
 

May 26, 2026

25 min

In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, and Dr. Kevin Skinner, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT, continue their series on rebuilding life after betrayal trauma by focusing on one of the most essential—and most difficult—parts of healing: connection.
After betrayal, many survivors begin questioning not only their relationship, but their entire sense of safety with people. Dr. Skinner shares research showing that betrayal trauma often impacts our perception of trust, causing many to withdraw from friends, family, peers, and support systems. Isolation can feel safer in the short term, but healing rarely happens alone.
Together, MaryAnn and Dr. Skinner explore:
Why betrayal trauma often leads to isolation and avoidance
The nervous system’s fear of vulnerability and connection
How secrecy and carrying trauma alone impacts the body and mind
The healing power of support groups and safe relationships
Common fears and barriers people experience when considering group support
Why not all groups feel emotionally safe—and how to find healthy support
The importance of “parking lot conversations” and authentic connection outside formal group time
How healing happens through validation, attachment, and being truly seen
The role of safe relationships in calming PTSD symptoms and rebuilding trust
Attachment wounds, exclusion trauma, and the brain’s response to rejection
How helping and supporting others in recovery also strengthens our own healing
Dr. Skinner shares powerful clinical stories illustrating how even one safe relationship can begin to regulate the nervous system and shift long-held beliefs of “I’m alone” into “I matter.” The conversation highlights how group healing is often less about the curriculum and more about the relationships formed through shared vulnerability and understanding.
MaryAnn also discusses:
The difference between structured therapy groups and 12-step groups
Why some group formats may feel triggering or invalidating
Reframing harmful “co-addict” or codependency messaging through a trauma-informed lens
The importance of finding people who can witness pain without minimizing it
How collective healing creates growth, insight, and hope
This episode is a compassionate reminder that while connection after betrayal can feel terrifying, safe relationships are often one of the most transformative parts of recovery.
Key Takeaways
Betrayal trauma frequently disrupts a person’s ability to trust others.
Isolation may feel protective, but long-term healing requires safe connection.
Group support can reduce shame, normalize experiences, and provide emotional regulation.
Being witnessed in pain creates attachment and healing.
One safe, nurturing relationship can profoundly impact recovery.
Healing often happens collectively through shared stories, validation, and support.
Resources
Treating Trauma from Sexual Betrayal by Kevin Skinner
Attached by Amir Levine and Rachel Heller
Secure by Amir Levine
Sue Johnson and attachment-based healing concepts
Patrick Carnes recommendation: attend a group multiple times before deciding if it’s a fit
Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale Survey - please consider taking a few minutes to help with our ongoing research. 
Visit Humanintimacy.com for the Rise Companion Course, Courses on Communication, Boundaries and both Individual and Couple Healing. 
Listener Invitation
If you are navigating betrayal trauma and feeling isolated, this episode encourages you to consider reaching out for support. Whether through therapy, group work, trusted friendships, or community, healing often begins when someone says: “I see you. You matter. You are not alone.”
 

May 19, 2026

31 min

Finding Yourself After Betrayal: Identity and the 8 C’s of Self with Kris Cristiano (Rise Season 2, Episode 19)
In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT and Kris Cristiano, LCSW, CSAT, explore one of the deepest and most painful questions betrayal trauma survivors face:
“Who am I now?”
When betrayal shatters trust, it often disrupts identity, self-concept, confidence, joy, and connection to self. Together, MaryAnn and Kris unpack the healing process of rediscovering your core self while also making space for the ways trauma and life experiences fundamentally change us.
Through personal stories, clinical insight, humor, and practical tools, this conversation explores individuation, differentiation, dissociation, nervous system healing, and reconnecting with authenticity after trauma.
In This Episode
How betrayal trauma distorts identity and self-concept
Why many survivors feel disconnected from themselves
The difference between survival mode and authentic living
Reconnecting with values, interests, joy, creativity, and play
Why healing is not about “going back” but reconnecting with your core self
The importance of nervous system regulation in trauma recovery
How storytelling helps integrate trauma and rebuild identity
Why fun, laughter, and play are essential parts of healing
Understanding dissociation and compartmentalization during betrayal trauma
Practical grounding exercises to reconnect with yourself
Key Themes Discussed
Rediscovering Who You Are
MaryAnn and Kris discuss how betrayal can cause people to abandon parts of themselves in order to survive, maintain relationships, or keep systems functioning. Healing often involves intentionally reclaiming lost parts of identity — even through small things like favorite foods, hobbies, humor, music, creativity, or values.
The Role of Trauma in Identity
Trauma changes the brain, nervous system, emotional responses, and worldview. Survivors may struggle with concentration, joy, emotional regulation, or activities they once loved. The episode emphasizes patience, self-compassion, and understanding that healing takes time.
Nervous System Healing
The conversation explores practices that help regulate the nervous system, including:
Meditation
Yoga
Walking
Singing
Dancing
Play
Safe social connection
Intentionality
Emotional processing
Dissociation and Presence
MaryAnn shares how betrayal trauma can create a dream-like sense of disconnection from reality and self. The discussion includes practical ways to stay grounded and present while also honoring overwhelming emotions and triggers.
Storytelling and Meaning-Making
Kris explains how sharing our stories in safe spaces helps the brain integrate trauma, close emotional loops, and rebuild identity over time.
The 8 C’s of Self in IFS
Drawing from Internal Family Systems (IFS), the episode references the “8 C’s” — qualities associated with the core Self when we are grounded, centered, and not led by fear or trauma parts:
Calm
Clarity
Compassion
Confidence
Courage
Creativity
Connectedness
Curiosity
The conversation explores how healing often involves reconnecting with these qualities rather than abandoning who we truly are.
Memorable Moments
The story of “watermelon” as a symbol of reclaiming identity after decades of self-abandonment
The “what kind of eggs do you actually like?” metaphor from Runaway Bride
Why “fun is part of recovery”
MaryAnn’s reflections on reconnecting with humor and play after trauma
The reminder that healing is not linear, rushed, or one-dimensional
Listener Reflection Questions
Who was I before betrayal?
What parts of myself have I abandoned?
What activities, interests, or values made me feel most alive?
What brings me peace, joy, creativity, or connection today?
What small step could help me reconnect with myself this week?
Resources
The Body Keeps the Score - Bessel van der Kolk
Stephen Covey - Start with the End in Mind
The Color Code - Dr. Taylor Hartman
GABIS https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Grief-scale
Boundary Basics https://www.humanintimacy.com/course/boundary-basics
Explore guided support and recovery tools: humanintimacy.com
youtube.com/@human-intimacy
 

May 12, 2026

28 min

In this episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis LCSW, CSAT, CPTT,  is joined by Dr. Karen Strange, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT, for a deeply compassionate conversation about what happens when betrayal trauma shakes not only our relationships—but also our faith, identity, and sense of meaning.
Together, they explore the often unspoken spiritual impact of betrayal and the painful questions that arise in the “messy middle” of healing, including: Why did this happen? Can I still trust my higher power? What do I believe now?
For many betrayed partners, recovery is not just about rebuilding trust with a spouse—it can also involve deconstructing and reconstructing long-held beliefs about God, safety, purpose, and self-worth. This episode holds space for that complexity with gentleness, honesty, and hope.
In this episode, you’ll hear:
How betrayal trauma can impact faith and spiritual identity
Why anger at a higher power is a common and valid response
The experience of feeling “betrayed by God” or spiritually abandoned
How trauma can destabilize beliefs about meaning, safety, and self
The role of grief in spiritual deconstruction and reconstruction
Why the “messy middle” of not knowing is part of healing
How clients begin to rebuild their spiritual foundation after betrayal
The connection between truth, lies, and identity after trauma
What it means to find your “why” in the midst of suffering
Tools and practices discussed:
Writing a letter to your higher power to express grief, anger, and questions
Allowing and honoring emotions instead of suppressing them
Identifying and challenging internalized “lies” after betrayal
Practicing self-compassion during identity disruption
Reframing painful experiences through meaning-making and reflection
Seeking safe relational support during deconstruction and healing
Key themes:
Spiritual deconstruction and reconstruction
Emotional honesty in faith crises
Identity loss and rebuilding after betrayal trauma
Meaning-making in suffering
The importance of safe connection and support
Hope in the “messy middle” of healing
MaryAnn and Dr. Strange emphasize that questioning, wrestling, and even feeling anger toward a higher power are not signs of failure—they are often part of a deeply human healing process. Over time, many individuals find that their faith is not necessarily destroyed, but transformed.
Healing is not linear, and you are not alone in the questions you are carrying.
Resources
"Man's Search For Meaning," Viktor Frankl
GABIS https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Grief-scale
Boundary Basics https://www.humanintimacy.com/course/boundary-basics
Explore guided support and recovery tools: humanintimacy.com
youtube.com/@human-intimacy
 

May 5, 2026

39 min

You Are Not Your Partner's Mother, Sponsor, or Dumping Ground: Boundaries and Trusting Your Gut with Rhyll Croshaw (Rise Season 2, Episode 17)
In this powerful episode of Rise: Hope and Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis LCSW, CSAT, CPTT is joined by Rhyll Croshaw, a pioneer in betrayal trauma recovery, author of "What Can I Do About Me?",and co-founder of the SA Lifeline Foundation and SAL12step.org. 
Rhyll brings decades of lived experience, professional insight, and grounded wisdom to a conversation that speaks directly to one of the most confusing and painful parts of recovery after betrayal:How do I hold boundaries and learn to trust myself again when I’ve been conditioned to doubt my gut?
In this episode, Rhyll shares her story of 53 years of marriage and insights learned from 32 years of betrayal trauma recovery work, including: what happens when betrayed partners find themselves over-functioning in relationships—becoming the emotional regulator, caretaker, or unintended “dumping ground” for their partner’s emotions, recovery work, or instability.
At the heart of this conversation is a powerful truth:
You are not your partner’s mother.You are not their sponsor.You are not their emotional dumping ground.
And learning this boundary distinction is a critical part of healing.
In This Episode, We Explore:
Why betrayed partners often lose trust in their own intuition and gut instincts
How external voices (partner, sponsor, family, culture) can override internal knowing
The emotional cost of becoming the “dumping ground” in a relationship
Why boundaries are not rejection—they are role clarification
The difference between supporting someone and over-functioning for them
What it means to practice compassionate detaching
How to recognize when you are carrying emotions that are not yours to hold
Why trusting your gut is a recovery skill, not an automatic ability
Key Takeaways:
Your gut is not broken—it has been drowned out by survival and confusion
Boundaries are about identity, roles, and emotional safety
You cannot be someone’s partner, parent, and sponsor all at once
Compassion does not require emotional over-responsibility
Healing includes learning to say: “This is not mine to carry.”
Powerful Themes in This Episode:
Trusting Your GutAfter betrayal, intuition often becomes clouded by fear, doubt, and conflicting messages. Relearning to listen to yourself is central to recovery.
Boundaries as Role ClarityBoundaries are not punishment or withdrawal—they define what is and is not yours to hold in a relationship.
Compassionate DetachingDetaching does not mean abandoning love. It means staying connected to yourself while releasing responsibility for what belongs to another adult.
Emotional Over-ResponsibilityMany betrayed partners unconsciously become emotional caretakers for their spouse’s recovery or regulation—at great personal cost.
Memorable Quotes & Concepts:
“You are not your partner’s sponsor, mother, or dumping ground.”
“Boundaries aren’t rejection—they’re role correction.”
“Your gut still speaks, but too many voices have been louder than it.”
“Detaching with compassion means I care—but I don’t carry what isn’t mine.”
Hope & Healing Reminder:
Recovery is not just about understanding betrayal—it is about reclaiming yourself.
Learning to trust your gut, hold boundaries, and step out of over-responsibility is not selfish. It is foundational to healing, clarity, and emotional safety.
Resources & References:
What Can I Do About Me? by Rhyll Croshaw
Dopamine Nation by Anna Lembke
SA Lifeline Foundationhttps://salifeline.org
SAL 12 Stephttps://sal12step.org
The Recovery Puzzle 
Recovery Circles Model
Rise online companion course 
Boundary Basics online course
Human Intimacy online courses - communication, relationships, The Intimacy Repair Method
GABIS - the Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale Survey - Contribute to our Resarch! 
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second-guessing their intuition
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Apr 28, 2026

29 min

Holding Boundaries In Discomfort: Emotions, Pushback and Staying Grounded with Dr. Skinner (Rise Season 2, Episode 16)
In this episode of Rise: Hope & Healing After Sexual Betrayal, MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT is joined again by Dr. Kevin Skinner LMFT, CSAT, CPTT to continue the powerful conversation on boundaries—this time focusing on what happens after you set one.
Because the truth is… setting a boundary is only the beginning.
What happens when your partner pushes back?When fear floods in?When you’re not even sure you can follow through?
This episode steps into the emotional reality of holding boundaries—the discomfort, the fear, and the growth required to stay grounded in your values.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
Why boundaries must be rooted in your personal values (your “why”)
The role of homeostasis—and why change in relationships feels so hard
The difference between rigid vs. flexible boundaries
Why you are allowed to change your mind as you learn and grow
What it really means to follow through on a boundary
How to handle pushback, resistance, or defensiveness
The impact of shame filters in the betraying partner
Why boundaries often trigger fear of loss and abandonment
The importance of differentiation—holding onto yourself in the relationship
How to stay grounded when you feel triggered, anxious, or dysregulated
Key Takeaways:
Boundaries are not about control—they are about self-alignment and safety
If a boundary isn’t connected to your values, it will be difficult to maintain
You don’t have to get it perfect—you need to stay aware and adaptable
Discomfort is not a sign you’re doing it wrong—it’s often a sign of growth
You can be both shaky and strong at the same time
Emotional Reality Check:
Holding boundaries may bring up:
Fear (“Will this end my relationship?”)
Anxiety (“What if I can’t follow through?”)
Confusion (“Am I doing this right?”)
Grief (loss of identity, loss of what was)
This is normal.
You are learning a new way of being—like writing with your non-dominant hand.
🛠️ Practical Tools Shared:
Define your boundary by asking: “What is my why?”
Communicate clearly:“If X happens, I will respond by doing Y.”
Prepare for resistance—it doesn’t mean the boundary is wrong
Regulate yourself before having the conversation
Build support systems (friends, therapists, safe people)
Give yourself permission to adjust as you learn
Final Thought:
Boundaries are only as strong as the work you’ve done within yourself.
And even when it feels uncomfortable, uncertain, or scary—you are allowed to take up space, have needs, and honor them.
🔗 Resources Mentioned:
Dr. Kevin Skinner’s work on rebuilding after betrayal
Rebuild Your Relationship After Sexual Betrayal
Boundary Course at Human Intimacy: https://www.humanintimacy.com/link/9yNi7c?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.humanintimacy.com%2Fcourse%3Fcourseid%3Dboundary-basics
www.youtube.com/human-intimacy
Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale Survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Grief-scale
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Apr 21, 2026

28 min

Slow Down, Don’t Torch It Down: Why Attachment Makes Boundaries Feel So Threatening
If boundaries feel overwhelming, confusing, or even dangerous to your relationships—this episode is for you.
In this conversation, MaryAnn Michaelis LCSW, CSAT, CPTT, and Dr. Karen Strange, LMFT, CSAT, CPTT, slow things down to explore why boundaries are so hard, especially in the context of attachment. This isn’t about “just set a boundary.” It’s about understanding the deep, often invisible forces—attachment styles and wounds, fears of loss, early modeling, and unmet needs—that can cause boundaries feel like a threat instead of a healthy tool.
Drawing from Robert Frost's Mending Wall, insights from The Betrayal Bind, and foundational principles in Boundaries, this episode reframes boundaries as something deeply relational—not rejecting.
Because when boundaries feel like they might cost you connection… of course you hesitate. Check out our ttransformative course Boundary Basics online course- designed to help you understand, define and create healthy boundaries for all of your relationships at: https://www.humanintimacy.com/course/boundary-basics. 
What This Episode Explores
The meaning behind “good fences make good neighbors” from Mending Wall—and why boundaries aren’t about keeping people out, but defining space with clarity and care
Why boundaries can feel like risking the relationship instead of protecting it
The very real fear of losing attachment, approval, and connection
How family of origin (FOO) modeling shapes your ability to set boundaries
How abuse and emotional neglect can create “collapsed” or unclear boundaries
Why humans are wired to seek approval and belonging—and how that complicates boundaries
How attachment styles (anxious, avoidant, secure) influence:
your ability to set boundaries
your reaction when others set them
The internal experience of “I don’t even know what I need”
Why confusion is a normal part of boundary work
The difference between external rules vs. authentic, internal empowerment
Why boundaries must be personalized to be sustainable (a core principle echoed in Boundaries)
The fluid nature of boundaries—they can evolve as you heal
A foundational truth emphasized throughout: Betrayal is a boundary violation. Period.
How The Betrayal Bind helps frame boundaries as protective and adjustable, not all-or-nothing
What we can learn from early childhood development (even at age 3) about having a voice without fear of punishment or loss
Why many adults still struggle to say “no” without fear of losing love
The pattern of “waffling” on boundaries and what’s underneath it
How to de-personalize your partner’s reactions to your boundaries
Why your partner’s protest is often not about you
The role of shame in resisting or reacting to boundaries
How addiction and trauma can lead to arrested emotional development
Why boundaries actually help us become more relational—not less
Key Takeaways
Boundaries feel hard because they are tied to attachment, safety, and survival
If you didn’t see healthy boundaries modeled, you’re likely learning a new language
Not knowing what you need is not failure—it’s part of the healing process
Boundaries are not about punishment—they are about protection and clarity
You may “waffle” as you learn—this is normal, not a setback
Other people’s reactions to your boundaries often reflect their own limitations, shame, or lack of tools
As shame decreases, boundaries become less threatening and more collaborative
Like the rebuilding of the wall in Mending Wall, boundaries are something we maintain and revisit over time
Healthy boundaries don’t destroy relationships—they create the conditions for real connection
Reflection Questions
When I think about setting a boundary, what am I afraid might happen?
Do I associate boundaries with loss of connection or safety?
Where did I learn (or not learn) how to have boundaries?
What do I actually need right now—and can I sit with that question without rushing the answer?
Am I reacting to someone else’s boundary as if it’s about me?
 Closing Encouragement
If you feel the urge to “torch it down”—to react, shut down, or avoid—pause.
Slow down.
There’s likely a deeper fear underneath… one tied to connection, safety, and being seen.
As both The Betrayal Bind and Boundaries reinforce, boundaries are not about pushing people away—they are about defining what allows relationship to be safe and sustainable.
Boundaries aren’t here to take connection away.They’re here to help you finally experience it in a healthier way.
Resources
GABIS https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Grief-scale
Boundary Basics https://www.humanintimacy.com/course/boundary-basics
The Betrayal Bind - Michelle Mays
Boundaries - Drs. Henry Cloud and Townsend
Explore guided support and boundary tools: humanintimacy.com

Apr 14, 2026

34 min

Episode Summary
What are boundaries—really? And why do they feel so hard to get right after betrayal?
In this episode, Rise hostess MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT sits  down with Kristin Kristiano, LCSW, CSAT to unpack the confusion around boundaries—what they are, what they’re not, and why so many attempts at “setting boundaries” actually create more disconnection.
We explore the critical shift from trying to control someone else to creating safety within yourself, how to identify your bottom lines, and what it looks like to hold boundaries when you’re triggered.
This conversation brings clarity, validation, and a grounded path forward for anyone navigating betrayal trauma.
In This Episode they Address:
What boundaries actually are (and what they’re not)
The difference between requests vs. boundaries
Boundaries and child development
Differences between prescriptive vs. adaptive boundaries
Why control leads to resistance in relationships
How to shift from controlling behaviors → self-protection
Understanding bottom lines and non-negotiables
When a relationship may no longer feel safe to continue
The difference between being triggered vs. something being wrong
How to regulate before responding
Rebuilding self-trust by listening to your body
Key Takeaway
Boundaries are not about changing someone else—they are about creating safety for yourself and learning to trust your own voice again.
Listener Invitation
If this episode resonated with you, please share it with someone who may need support in their healing journey.
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Remember: Self-trust is rebuilt by listening inward, not controlling outward

Apr 7, 2026

23 min

Stepping into one of the most requested—and misunderstood—topics: Boundaries, in this episode, Jennifer Johnson CMHC, CSAT, CPTT and MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT break down what boundaries actually are, what they aren’t, and why they can feel so difficult—especially after betrayal.
What Boundaries Are (And Aren’t)
What Boundaries Are Not
Punishment
Control
Ultimatums
What Boundaries Actually Are
Boundaries are about creating emotional safety for you.
It’s not about controlling them—it’s about taking care of you.
Boundaries vs. Rules
Rules Focus on Them
“You need to stop…”“You have to…”
Boundaries Focus on You
“If this happens, this is what I will do.”
This shift moves you from:
Powerless → Empowered
Reactive → Grounded
Why Boundaries Feel So Hard
Common Trauma Responses
After betrayal, it’s normal to:
Feel frozen or powerless
Swing from no boundaries → extreme boundaries
Confuse control with safety
These are trauma responses—not failures.
The “All or Nothing” Trap
What Many People Assume
Boundaries only look like:
Separation
Sleeping apart
Divorce
What Boundaries Can Actually Look Like
Taking space
Going for a walk
Pausing before responding
Reaching out for support
Boundaries create safety—not punishment or forced distance.
The Key to Boundaries That Hold: Your “Why”
Without a Why
Boundaries feel inconsistent
You second-guess yourself
They often collapse
With a Clear Why
You feel grounded
You stay consistent
Communication becomes more effective
Understanding:
What triggered you
Why it matters
What you need
…creates sustainable boundaries.
Boundaries Are Internal Work
What Boundaries Really Do
Reclaim your voice
Clarify your needs
Restore a sense of control
After betrayal, boundaries become a way to say:
“I choose how I take care of me.”
If Boundaries Feel Hard
A Gentle Reminder
This is normal
This is a process
You don’t have to do it perfectly
Boundaries can feel especially difficult when you still want:
Connection
Safety
Repair
You’re not doing it wrong—you’re learning something new.
What’s Coming Next
This episode begins a deeper series on:
Bottom Lines and Safety vs. Punitive Control
Boundaries Abandonment and Attachment 
Holding Boundaries when the Other Person Pushes Back
When Boundaries Lead to Relationship Change
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Mar 31, 2026

27 min

The Data of Devastation: Early Insights from the GABIS
In this solo episode, betrayal trauma expert and host MaryAnn Michaelis, LCSW, CSAT, CPTT,
 shares early findings from the Grief After Betrayal Impact Scale (GABIS)—drawing directly from the voices and lived experiences of listeners in this community.
This is the data of devastation.
Not just numbers—but real accounts of grief, identity loss, and the unraveling of reality after sexual betrayal.
Because research in this area is limited, these listener-informed insights offer a rare and powerful look at what betrayal trauma actually takes—from a person’s sense of self, safety, and connection.
Be sure to check out this episode @youtube.com/Human-Intimacy to view the data charts and slides.
What You’ll Hear in This Episode
MaryAnn walks through key early insights from survey responses, including:
Why staggered disclosure is more common—and more damaging—than most people realize
The reality that many betrayed partners are left to discover the truth on their own
The sharp drop in identity and self-trust after betrayal
The most common and painful forms of grief reported by listeners
Why so many people are suffering in silence
Where support is helping—and where it’s falling short
The often-overlooked physical and health impacts of betrayal trauma
One of the Most Striking Patterns
Across responses, one theme rose above the rest:
Loss.
Not just loss of a relationship—but loss of:
identity
safety
trust
reality
and the future that once felt certain
As one listener shared:
“It’s the decades of never being truly known… the invisibility.”
Why This Conversation Matters
Grief after betrayal is often misunderstood—or missed entirely.
This episode brings language to that experience, helping listeners recognize:
This is grief
This is trauma
And this response makes sense
Listen If You’re…
Trying to make sense of your emotional response after betrayal
Feeling like you’ve “lost yourself”
Wondering why this feels so much bigger than just the betrayal
Looking for validation, language, and understanding
Explore the Full Data
This episode highlights key findings—but there is more to the story.
Watch the full podcast with visuals: YouTube.com/human-intimacy
Contribute your experience to the ongoing survey https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Grief-scale
Access the full presentation from the Human Intimacy Conference 
A Final Word
If this episode resonates with you:
You are not overreacting.You are not alone.
What you’re experiencing is real—and it deserves care, support, and understanding.
If this episode helped you, consider sharing it.Someone else may need to hear that they’re not alone in this.
And as always—take care of yourself.
 

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